[KLUG Members] Re: Members digest, Vol 1 #284 - 15 msgs (Out of office)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Members digest, Vol 1 #283 - 3 msgs (Out of office) (Mark Kaechele)
   2. Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution 1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2 (Richard Zimmerman)
   3. Re: Odd NFS Mount problem. (Bryan J. Smith)
   4. SSH, SSL, WAS: Xim+Evo+Moz = Nuts! (Bryan J. Smith)
   5. Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution
       1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2 (Bruce Smith)
   6. Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon
       1.0.2 (Bryan J. Smith)
   7. Re: Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2 (Adam Tauno Williams)
   8. Procmail, PerlMIME, etc... -- WAS: IMAP-SSL/SSH (Bryan J. Smith)
   9. Re: Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome,
       Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2 (Bruce Smith)
  10. linear raid troubles (Dirk Bartley)
  11. Linux in US News and World Report (bob@acm.org)
  12. Call For Speakers! (Adam Williams)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:07:14 -0500
From: "Mark Kaechele" <mkaechele@venturipartners.com>
To: <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: Members digest, Vol 1 #283 - 3 msgs (Out of office)
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Today's Topics:

   1. Odd NFS Mount problem. (Adam Tauno Williams)
   2. Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution 1.0.1,Mozilla
       0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2 (Bryan J. Smith)

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Message: 1
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:51:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Tauno Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com>
Subject: [KLUG Members] Odd NFS Mount problem.
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

I have an RH/SGI 7.2 NFS server that shares two things: /home and /usr/pcnet

I have an IBM AIX4.2.1 box that mounts these volumes happily as well as two
RH7.0 boxes.

However,  a BS-Ware Pro (RH7.0+) and another RH/SGI 7.2 NFS client of the exact
same vintage as the server can only mount *ONE* of the shares at a time.

If I "mount sardine:/usr/pcnet /usr/pcnet -orsize=16384,wsize=16384,nfsvers=3"
it mounts just fine...
Then if I "mount sardine:/home /home -orize=16384,wsize=16384,nfsvers=3"
the /home volume mounts and /usr/pcnet becomes a "stale" NFS handle.  

df looks like this -
sardine:/usr/pcnet           0         1         0   0% /usr/pcnet
sardine:/home          4971824   1919400   3052424  39% /home

I can then remount /usr/pcnet and it is ok, and /home becomes a stale handle....
round and round we go...

Anyone seen or heard about this?

Systems and Network Administrator
Morrison Industries
1825 Monroe Ave NW
Grand Rapids, MI. 49505

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:44 -0500
From: "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
Organization: SmithConcepts/AbsoluteValueSystems
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution 1.0.1,Mozilla 
 0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Bruce Smith wrote:
> Ah, but when I tried that, I could no longer use Evolution
> to connect to my _secure_ IMAP server (SSL).  Evolution
> doesn't like Mozilla's SSL libraries (and vice versa).

Ouch!  I guess I'm not using IMAP-SSL yet, so thanx for pointing
that out!  [ This "geezer" BS still uses POP3 tunneled over SSH ;-P
]

> My solution is to use Netscape 6.21 instead of Mozilla.
> Side note: Netscape 6.x and Mozilla seem to both use
> $HOME/.mozilla as their configuration directory, and I've
> had numerous problems switching back and forth between the
> two.  The screw each other up quite nicely!  :-)

Yeah, I made the _mistake_ of trying to use the same config
directory for Mozilla Linux and Mozilla Windows.  UNIX paths and
Windows drive letters don't mix!  Yikes!  You'd figure they'd
address these issues.

> What I would really like is Evolution as my email client,
> and a fast stable browser.  I was hoping to use the Evolution
> / Galeon combination, but alas, Galeon also needs
> mozilla-psm-0.9.7-0.i386.rpm for SSL.  :-(

Use Galeon 0.12.8 (from SourceForge) with Mozilla 0.9.5 (from
Ximian).  0.12.8 _rarely_ crashed on me, and I've now had 2 crashes
with the new Galeon 1.0.2 + Mozilla 0.9.7 setup.  The older version
is a tad slower, but not much.  In fact, I can't tell any
differences in Galeon features -- want to say Galeon 0.12.8 _should_
have been 1.0 (using Mozilla 0.9.5, instead of requiring 0.9.6 for
1.0 and 0.9.7 for 1.0.x).

-- Bryan

P.S.  Don't use Ximian's Galeon 0.12.4 -- it _sux_!

-- 
Bryan J. Smith, Engineer        mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org   
AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.     http://www.linux-wlan.org
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Message: 2
From: "Richard Zimmerman" <richard@knbpower.com>
To: <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution 1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:03:36 -0500
Organization: K&B Transport, Inc.
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

> Ouch!  I guess I'm not using IMAP-SSL yet, so thanx for pointing
> that out!  [ This "geezer" BS still uses POP3 tunneled over SSH ;-P

   And there is a probelm with that? It's easy to setup plus it works! <G>
Although I'm looking at a IMAP / SSL + web access for email here soon
enough....

Richard

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:06:49 -0500
From: "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
Organization: SmithConcepts/AbsoluteValueSystems
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Odd NFS Mount problem.
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> I can then remount /usr/pcnet and it is ok, and /home
> becomes a stale handle.... round and round we go...
> Anyone seen or heard about this?

Couple of suggestions ...

1.  Try starting more NFS daemons in your server's
/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs script.

2.  Recommend making sure your "nfs-utils" version is the same on
all Linux clients.

3.  Recommend making all your RedHat versions the same, especially
since RedHat 7.0 runs kernel 2.2.x and RedHat 7.1/2 runs kernel
2.4.x.

3a.  What happens if you use NFS v2 for just the 7.0 systems?  BTW,
NFS v3 support differs _radically_ between kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x
(the former, at least as of 2.2.18, is a limited backport of the
latter).

4.  Any reason you are using 16KB block sizes?  I usually stick with
the 8KB default of NFS v2, or 32KB default of NFS v3.  BTW, I think
Alan Cox _ignored_ the specs, and make 1KB the "default" in 2.2.18+
(same in 2.4.x???).

-- Bryan

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AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.     http://www.linux-wlan.org
SmithConcepts, Inc.          http://www.SmithConcepts.com

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:14:08 -0500
From: "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
Organization: SmithConcepts/AbsoluteValueSystems
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: [KLUG Members] SSH, SSL, WAS: Xim+Evo+Moz = Nuts!
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Richard Zimmerman wrote:
> And there is a probelm with that?

No.  I actually like the idea of SSH too.  In fact, I need to get
off my @$$ and learn how to incorporate public keys into the system
for maximum security.

I also need to spend some time getting away from NIS and onto
LDAP+Kerberos for directory services in my LANs.  I just haven't
done that either.

Regarding filesystems now, I also need to look into AFS as an
"unified" replacement for NFS+Samba, or maybe another network
filesystem (there are several cropping up nowdays) .

If I only had the time.  If I did, I'd probably write a book when I
was done.

Some of the "schtuff" Adam has put out is really good.  I'm an
engineer, so I'm lazy, so I'm looking for the "cookbook method." 
Tell me how to do it with RedHat servers and RedHat clients, then
I'll move from there.

-- Bryan

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AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.     http://www.linux-wlan.org
SmithConcepts, Inc.          http://www.SmithConcepts.com

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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution
	1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2
From: Bruce Smith <bruce@armintl.com>
To: KLUG members <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:12:55 -0500
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

> > Ouch!  I guess I'm not using IMAP-SSL yet, so thanx for pointing
> > that out!  [ This "geezer" BS still uses POP3 tunneled over SSH ;-P
> 
>    And there is a probelm with that? It's easy to setup plus it works! <G>

There is no problem with that.  As you said, it works.  However once I
tried IMAP I was so impressed with the added benefits, I'll never go
back to POP3.

With IMAP your mail and your folders stay on the SERVER.
So, no matter if I'm at work, at home, or on the road, I can read the
same mail, reference the same folders, and not worry about sucking down
email with POP3 and having it available on only ONE computer.

IMAP is also great for slow dialup connections.  When I connect to a
IMAP server, it downloads only the headers.  Then I can click on any
email I want to read, and it downloads only that message.  If a message
contains a large attachment, it only downloads the message text until
I click on the attachment.  That allows me to read the message from a
large email and grab the attachment later when I'm connected via a
faster connection.  Beats waiting for POP3 to download EVERYTHING.

And just like POP3, you can use "stunnel" for secure SSL IMAP.

Add a web interface for those times you want to read your email from
someone else's computer without having to setup an email client, and
that makes a really nice setup IMO.

--------------------------------------------
Bruce Smith                bruce@armintl.com
System Administrator / Network Administrator
Armstrong International, Inc.
Three Rivers, Michigan  49093  USA
http://www.armstrong-intl.com/
--------------------------------------------


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:39:42 -0500
From: "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
Organization: SmithConcepts/AbsoluteValueSystems
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon
 1.0.2
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Bruce Smith wrote:
> With IMAP your mail and your folders stay on the SERVER.

Oh, you don't have to sell me on IMAP.  ;-P  I've just been "lazy"
on moving to it.  I'm going to "switch over" to it when I put my new
public server in.

BTW, I was debating whether or not I should use IMAP-SSL, or IMAP
tunneled over SSH.  I think I'm going to go with the latter for now,
I can always switch to the former later.

> So, no matter if I'm at work, at home, or on the road, I
> can read the same mail, reference the same folders, and
> not worry about sucking down email with POP3 and having
> it available on only ONE computer.

Better yet!  You don't have to duplicate your filtering rules on
each client, you just change it at the server via "procmail" (or
whatever your MUA uses).

[ This "geezer" BS just re-created his ~100 Netscape filters in
Evolution.  ;-P ]

With that said, is there a good GUI procmail editing program?  I
always seem to screw up when I do it manually.

> And just like POP3, you can use "stunnel" for secure SSL IMAP.

Right.  I've done that before too, but am wary of the key exchange
(at least versus SSH).

> Add a web interface for those times you want to read your
> email from someone else's computer without having to setup
> an email client, and that makes a really nice setup IMO.

So what's your favorite server-side, web interface for E-mail?

-- Bryan

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AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.     http://www.linux-wlan.org
SmithConcepts, Inc.          http://www.SmithConcepts.com

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Message: 7
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:48:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Tauno Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com>
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>So what's your favorite server-side, web interface for E-mail?

IMP.  The "new" version is finally out and *VERY* nice.  Finally no phplib
requirements.

Systems and Network Administrator
Morrison Industries
1825 Monroe Ave NW
Grand Rapids, MI. 49505

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:53:28 -0500
From: "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org>
Organization: SmithConcepts/AbsoluteValueSystems
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: [KLUG Members] Procmail, PerlMIME, etc... -- WAS: IMAP-SSL/SSH
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

"Bryan J. Smith" wrote:
> Better yet!  You don't have to duplicate your filtering rules on
> each client, you just change it at the server via "procmail" (or
> whatever your MUA uses).
> [ This "geezer" BS just re-created his ~100 Netscape filters in
> Evolution.  ;-P ]
> With that said, is there a good GUI procmail editing program?  I
> always seem to screw up when I do it manually.

One thing I did for our old LUG lists was "strip out" MIME/HTML in
posts.  I did this using some MIME Perl modules.  I wanted to take
it further (it was ~4 procmail rules + 2 Perl scripts), but never
got around to it.

If I'm going to go "full bore" into IMAP, I'm going to want to
create a "super procmail filter".  One thing I'd _love_ to do is
break up MIME E-mails (possibly UUEncoded as well) and "analyze"
them.  Some examples:

.DOC/MS-Word:
- bark back at the sender about my refusal to even read .DOC files
(I get too much E-mail a day to deal with it)
- send URL of StarOffice 6 [beta] ;-P
- send URL of on-line/automatic PDF creator at Adobe ;-P
- possibly try an automatic HTML and/or RTF2LaTeX conversion,
possibly via on-line/automatic Adobe PDF creator

Dual-ASCII/MS-TNEF:
- bark back at the sender about proprietariness
- ask them to consider dual-ASCII/HTML instead, and send
Outlook-version-specific setup info
- possibly enable "Text Only" in my return "vCard" to them, if
possible
- possibly convert MS-TNEF portions to MIME

MS-HTML-only:
- ask them to consider dual-ASCII/HTML instead, and send
Outlook-version-specific setup info
- possibly enable "Text Only" in my return "vCard" to them, if
possible

MS-TNEF-only:
- bark back *HARD* at the sender about a MS-only Internet
- possibly try converting to MIME

I can think of some others when I have time.

-- Bryan

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AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.     http://www.linux-wlan.org
SmithConcepts, Inc.          http://www.SmithConcepts.com

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Message: 9
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Re: RedHat 7.2, Ximian Gnome,
	Evolution1.0.1,Mozilla  0.9.7, Galeon 1.0.2
From: Bruce Smith <bruce@armintl.com>
To: KLUG members <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:42:43 -0500
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

> >So what's your favorite server-side, web interface for E-mail?
> 
> IMP.  The "new" version is finally out and *VERY* nice.  Finally no phplib
> requirements.

Agree.  IMP is nice.  

Although I admit not checking into anything else lately.

--------------------------------------------
Bruce Smith                bruce@armintl.com
System Administrator / Network Administrator
Armstrong International, Inc.
Three Rivers, Michigan  49093  USA
http://www.armstrong-intl.com/
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Message: 10
From: Dirk Bartley <bartleyd2@chartermi.net>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: 14 Jan 2002 19:39:09 -0500
Subject: [KLUG Members] linear raid troubles
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

I have 2 40 gig hard drive that were configured as a linear raid array
to have one large 80 gig device.  This is in a system where I had some
hardware troubles and I ended up losing the entire operating system
drive and unfortunately, the entire /etc/ directory.  So there is lots
of important information on this device that I am afraid may be lost. 
So I have attempted to recreate the device with the following raidtab.

raiddev /dev/md0
  raid-level            linear
  nr-raid-disks         2
  nr-spare-disks        0
  chunk-size            4
  persistent-superblock 1
  device                /dev/hdg1
  raid-disk             0
  device                /dev/hdh1
  raid-disk             1

It is not starting up.

If I execute 

raidstart /dev/md0
my command prompt comes back to me and /proc/mdstat looks like

[root@edgesrv samba]# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear]
read_ahead not set
unused devices: <none>

if I execute 
raidstop -a
I get 
[root@edgesrv samba]# raidstop -a
nothing to do!
usage: raidstop [--all] [--configfile] [--help] [--version] [-achv]
</dev/md?>*

So, I may have tried to start the raid device with the wrong parameters
before.  I can't remember exactly what I changed, could have been
raid-level 0.  Have I lost all of the information that used to be on
this 80 gig raid device.  Please tell me all is not lost, humor me for a
while.

Dirk


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Message: 11
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:25:04 -0500
From: bob@acm.org
Subject: [KLUG Members] Linux in US News and World Report
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org


Decent article in a major national news magazine.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020114/tech/14linux.htm

One of the better articles to appear, EVER, in the mainstream
press about Linux. I still don't like the term "alternative";
for a lot of what I do, there are a few, but none of them are
mentioned in the article.

						Enjoy!
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Message: 12
From: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: 15 Jan 2002 07:50:45 -0500
Subject: [KLUG Members] Call For Speakers!
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

	In the very near future KLUG will be presenting the merits of Linux and
Open Source to Chamber Of Commerce members and others,  penetrating
previously untrod ground with the our message of freedom and
empowerment!  Invariably some of these good folks will see the light,
and turn to whom for further information?  The Internet?  Well, yes, of
course.  But they'll probably turn to KLUG itself as well.  
	When they visit our web page and surf over to the meeting schedule page
they need to find a robust list of various topics concerning the use of
Open Source packages and Linux itself.  From the desktop to the
mainframe,  we don't know who we are going to catch.  KLUG can only
provide this support one way: through the enthusiasm and knowledge of
it's members!
	If you'd like to participate in KLUG becoming the West Michigan
Hegemony of all things Open Source step forward now,  write to
programdirector@kalamazoolinux.org.

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