[KLUG Members] Link to Adam's LDAP presentation

[Bob Kanaley]

To all,

Last night from home I was checking the Bynari website (www.bynari.net) for
the latest and greatest developments on their Exchange connector and
Exchange server replacement. On their homepage was a prominent link to "LDAP
and Open LDAP (on the Linux Platform)". Since I hadn't really understood
much of the recent KLUG list discussions of an LDAP problem, I thought I
might quickly learn something from this document. The PDF download link was
an ftp to Adam's LDAP presentation on the KLUG website.

I was disappointed that Bynari didn't directly attribute this document to
Adam, but at least they know quality work when they see it.

Nice going Adam!!!

Bob

Robert V. Kanaley
Manager Information Systems
Agdia, Inc.
rvk@agdia.com
http://www.agdia.com


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: RedHat 8.0???? (Adam Williams)
   2. Re: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Adam Williams)
   3. RE: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Buist Justin)
   4. Re: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Peter Buxton)
   5. automount floppy (bill)
   6. Re: automount floppy (adam@morrison-ind.com)
   7. Re: automount floppy (adam@morrison-ind.com)
   8. Re: automount floppy (bill)
   9. Re: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Robert G. Brown)
  10. Re: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Adam Williams)
  11. Re: Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux? (Peter Buxton)
  12. Re: ORDB in the maillog (Peter Buxton)
  13. KLUG Meeting Notes - 09/17/2002 (mag00)

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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] RedHat 8.0????
From: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:48:41 -0400
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>I saw some article about redhat 8.0 regarding unifying gnome and kde.
>Russell
>http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/1464901
>Richard Zimmerman wrote:Saw this on one of the email lists I'm one this
morning...

Yep, I've read a couple of these.  Register has one that is downright
silly.

"Applications are applications," Gettys said. "I'm perfectly happy to
use good applications no matter whether they're GNOME or KDE. What
ultimately matters are applications for people to use. I see no reason
for GNOME to build a replacement for a KDE application or vice versa if
there are good applications available."

I'm glad the guy from HP said this, and not the RedHat guy.  Because it
makes it pretty clear he doesn't have any idea what the point of a
desktop environment is.  People don't want to "use" application that
don't interoperate.  Skinning them to look the same is nice, but the
only person it will fool is the grandmother mentioned in the article.


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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
From: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: 18 Sep 2002 12:49:25 -0400
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>>With satellite you've just added roughly a couple of hundred thousand
>>miles to your packets travel.  Even at the speed of light (and
>>remember, "c" is the speed of light in a vacuum, atmosphere is slower)
>>it takes awhile at those distances.
>Actually, it's much less than a hundred thousand miles, though this
>doesn't help the latency issue. Remember that outer space begins a scant
>So your satellite is about 40,000 miles away (from you and its base
>station, remember): more than 1.6 times the circumference of the Earth

Right, with a strong emphasis on the "and" in "(from you ***and*** its
base station, remember)".  So that's a minimum of ~80,000 miles round
trip.  That is a bloody long ways to go.  And hopefully you've only got
one hop to go (a safe assumption if the receiver is in the USA).  Then
you've still got to be routed through a last mile land line to the
telco's switch, then to an MAE, then to where you actually want to
reach.  Those last steps can be painful enough using DSL!

If satellites were such a great bi-directional communication method, why
are there fleets of submarines used to lay fiber cable across the ocean
floor?






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Message: 3
Subject: RE: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:04:56 -0400
From: "Buist Justin" <jbuist@gsite.com>
To: <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

You might want to look for a wireless ISP.  They tend to pop up in rural
type areas that don't have cable/dsl options yet.

Might cost a bit more per month, and the equipment can run you a few hundred
dollars, but it works.

Justin Buist


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis [mailto:dennis1111@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: klug
> Subject: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
>
>
> I cannot get dsl or broadband cable yet. Does anyone know of a two-way
> sattelite ISP that will work with Linux? I am in southern central
> Michigan, the only ones I have found so far are for Europe, Asia and
> Africa.
>
> Direcway says I need to run Windows 95 or newer for their
> software. Any
> guesses if it would run under WINE? I don't really want to
> run MS but if
> I cannot get broadband cable or dsl I might have to just for a gateway
> machine for the sattelite.
>
> Any other satellite isp you might recommend besides Direcway.
> --
> Dennis
> _______________________________________________
> Members mailing list
> Members@kalamazoolinux.org
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:37:13 -0400
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
From: Peter Buxton <peter@killdevil.org>
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:49:25PM -0400, Adam Williams wrote:

> Right, with a strong emphasis on the "and" in "(from you ***and*** its
> base station, remember)".  So that's a minimum of ~80,000 miles round
> trip.

No, dude! ~45,000!

A geosynchronous orbit has to do deal with the fact that all orbits are
"Great Circle" orbits. That is to say, you must orbit the planet on a
circle of the largest possible diameter. You can orbit the Equator, but
not the Arctic Circle, nor the Tropic of Capricorn. (Well, you can,
Admiral Kirk, but only under powered flight.)

The only possible geosynch orbit on a 'rotating' planet is its equator.
(Non-rotating planets have no geosynch orbits except for LaGrange
points. (Which we will boldly gloss over here.)) Any other Great Circle
would have your satellite bobbing up and down in the sky, north and
south, as the plane of its orbit is offset from the equator. (Go play
with Xearth or Xplanet, Mercator projections, and the sunlight
terminator for why, or watch a Hollywood space flick and watch the sine
wave on the Earth that is the path of the satellite.)

The Space Shuttle's typical orbit is ~180 miles. A geosynch orbit is
~22,241 from the Equator. If you have a little trig, it should be easy
to use your latitude to calculate how much farther it is from you to a
geosynch satellite. From the Poles, it's ~31,048. So that would be a
two-way range of ~44,482-62,096 miles to the satellite if only *one*
satellite is used! They do have multi-hops, but they would be to other
geosynch satellites orbiting Earth on a circle 60,000 miles wide!

> If satellites were such a great bi-directional communication method,
> why are there fleets of submarines used to lay fiber cable across the
> ocean floor?

Unless Cable & Wireless switched to subs in the last 5 years, they still
use surface cable-laying ships. The hands-down finest easy intro to this
is still Neal _Snow Crash_ Stephenson's _Wired_ article, "Mother Board,
Mother Planet." But yeah, they're still slapping down fiber optic like
there is no tomorrow.

--
http://www.killdevil.org/~peter
Rude people, not God, make religion incompatible
with polite society and good government.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:24:37 -0400
From: bill <bill@billtron.com>
To: "members@kalamazoolinux.org" <members@kalamazoolinux.org>
Subject: [KLUG Members] automount floppy
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Using RH 7.3 how can I make a floppy drive mount automatically when a floppy
disk is inserted?

When a non-root user is working on the computer, I have to be called to go
over
and su to root and mount the floppy when they want to use it.

Seems like there ought to be a way for a normal user to access a floppy disk
when they want to.

kind regards,

bill hollett


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:43:47 -0400
From: adam@morrison-ind.com
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] automount floppy
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>Using RH 7.3 how can I make a floppy drive mount automatically when a
floppy
>disk is inserted?
>When a non-root user is working on the computer, I have to be called to go
>over and su to root and mount the floppy when they want to use it.

Eh?

>Seems like there ought to be a way for a normal user to access a floppy
disk
>when they want to.

If your in GNOME they can right click on the desktop, go to the "Desks" tab
of
the pop-up menu and mount/unmount any devices flagged as "user" in
/dev/fstab.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:48:31 -0400
From: adam@morrison-ind.com
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] automount floppy
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>>Seems like there ought to be a way for a normal user to access a floppy
>>disk when they want to.
>If your in GNOME they can right click on the desktop, go to the "Desks" tab

I mean the "Disks" tab.

>of the pop-up menu and mount/unmount any devices flagged as "user" in
>/dev/fstab.

I mean "/etc/fstab"

Whew!

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:02:38 -0400
From: bill <bill@billtron.com>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] automount floppy
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

Ask and you shall receive.

thanks,

bill

adam@morrison-ind.com wrote:

> >>Seems like there ought to be a way for a normal user to access a floppy
> >>disk when they want to.
> >If your in GNOME they can right click on the desktop, go to the "Desks"
tab
>
> I mean the "Disks" tab.
>
> >of the pop-up menu and mount/unmount any devices flagged as "user" in
> >/dev/fstab.
>
> I mean "/etc/fstab"
>
> Whew!
> _______________________________________________
> Members mailing list
> Members@kalamazoolinux.org
> 


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Message: 9
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
From: "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:10:28 -0400
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>>>With satellite you've just added roughly a couple of hundred thousand
>>>miles to your packets travel.  Even at the speed of light (and
>>>remember, "c" is the speed of light in a vacuum, atmosphere is slower)
>>>it takes awhile at those distances.
>>Actually, it's much less than a hundred thousand miles, though this
>>doesn't help the latency issue. Remember that outer space begins a scant
>>So your satellite is about 40,000 miles away (from you and its base
>>station, remember): more than 1.6 times the circumference of the Earth
>Right, with a strong emphasis on the "and" in "(from you ***and*** its
>base station, remember)".  So that's a minimum of ~80,000 miles round
>trip.  That is a bloody long ways to go.  And hopefully you've only got
>one hop to go (a safe assumption if the receiver is in the USA).  Then
>you've still got to be routed through a last mile land line to the
>telco's switch, then to an MAE, then to where you actually want to
>reach.  Those last steps can be painful enough using DSL!

Actually, all this talk about distance and so forth doesn't amount to a
hill o'beans compared to some other factors about satellite communications
that have not been brought up yet. Remember, 80,000 miles is just under
420 milliseconds transmission time, but when the packets arrive at the
ground station (especially the transmitting station), they are subject to
other delays, which typically add 500 - 1200 ms to the packets life, and
sometime a good deal more.

Geosyncheonus orbit, for a single uplink-downling pair, is 47,000 miles,
or 210 ms. something like 96% of the traffic can be characterized this
way. At 210 ms, the packet is STILL in delay lines and buffers for that
(typical) 500-1200 ms at the ground stations....so the shortest part of
the trip is... the trip!

>If satellites were such a great bi-directional communication method, why
>are there fleets of submarines used to lay fiber cable across the ocean
>floor?
There are a few reasons. First of all, different media compete. Fiber on
the Ocean Floor is always going to have volume over satellite through the
air, and fiber is going to be great for point-to-point communication, as
long as you can guarantee the security of the cable and the seaside
stations. Sattelite is going to be the clear choice when you want to
originate or receive anything where there's no infrastructure into which
you can plug (Uzbekistan, for example, a place of much more importance
due to recent events).
							Regards,
							---> RGB <---

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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
From: Adam Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com>
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Date: 18 Sep 2002 21:46:01 -0400
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

>Unless Cable & Wireless switched to subs in the last 5 years, they still
>use surface cable-laying ships. The hands-down finest easy intro to this
>is still Neal _Snow Crash_ Stephenson's _Wired_ article, "Mother Board,
>Mother Planet." But yeah, they're still slapping down fiber optic like
>there is no tomorrow.

Tyco (yep, the toy train company) has a fleet of cable laying subs.
There was a PBS documentary on them,  pretty cool.  Several stretches in
the Indian ocean they actually trenched to lay the cable.

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:26:24 -0400
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] Any sattelite ISP that supports Linux?
From: Peter Buxton <peter@killdevil.org>
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 09:46:01PM -0400, Adam Williams wrote:

> Tyco (yep, the toy train company) has a fleet of cable laying subs.

Whoa. That *is* new.

> There was a PBS documentary on them,  pretty cool.  Several stretches in
> the Indian ocean they actually trenched to lay the cable.

They do that for the shallow bits, typically near land. (Or where
fishermen congregate for anchor-dropping practice.) Isn't the Indian
Ocean the shallowest of the 5?

--
http://www.killdevil.org/~peter
Power tools for power fools.

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:30:24 -0400
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] ORDB in the maillog
From: Peter Buxton <peter@killdevil.org>
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:27:56AM -0400, Ryan wrote:

> Anyone know of a method to detect transparent proxies between
> a source node and a destination web server? From reading through
> Web Protocols and Practices, it looks as if a proxy is not allowed
> (Via RFC) to modify the majority of the HTTP header fields.

Obviously, a non-interfering proxy on a transparent bridge (or on your
gateway) is going to be pretty much invisible. If it alters some things,
though... I have read of a few methods: try sending GET requests to
name.org but write the headers to anothername.org and see what you get
back.

--
http://www.killdevil.org/~peter

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:13:40 -0400
To: members@kalamazoolinux.org
From: mag00 <mag00@voyager.net>
Cc: magoo@yakko.cs.wmich.edu
Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Meeting Notes - 09/17/2002
Reply-To: members@kalamazoolinux.org

KALAMAZOO LINUX USER'S GROUP

MEMBERS AND GUESTS - COME JOIN US FOR A MEETING!!!
http://kalamazoolinux.org/meetings
WE MEET WEEKLY, EACH TUESDAY AT 7:00PM.

Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber
of Commerce office building downtown.
346 W. Michigan Ave. - Kalamazoo, MI  49007
http://kazoolug.org/meetings/maps.php3   <=== MAP!

Tuesday  September 17, 2002  7:00PM
KLUG Meeting Notes - Summary

I.	PRESENTATION RECAP
II.	NEXT WEEK'S MEETING INFO   <===  Cyrus IMAP
III.	PROJECT REPORTS
IV.	GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

Tonight's Meeting Moderator:
KLUG Chairperson Dirk Bartley

I.  PRESENTATION RECAP
THIS WEEK'S KLUG PRESENTATION:   (18 active KLUG participants)
*****************************************************************
Mandatory Access Control
by Matthew Bejamin

Mandatory Access Control
==============================
BSD Extended File Attributes
System Securelevels
Trusted BSD: The Future

PRESENTATION SUMMARY:
******************************
[*[*[  FOR SOME REASON, OUR PRESENTER DID NOT APPEAR  ]*]*]

Plan B -
---------
Instead we discussed Linux/Unix.  The definition of Unix
was explored and many comments were made about its current
status and the various distributions of Linux.  There was
talk about the United Linux Standards coalition and what
they are essentially attempting.  Someone mentioned that
Red Hat v8.0 is slated for release this month.  Also proudly
mentioned was Sun's distribution of Star Office to students
for free.  The discussion intensified into specific Linux
installation questions, file system changes and considerations,
and many general Linux configuration techniques were mentioned.

Matthew Benjamin is from The Linux Box consulting
company in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  "Think Inside the Box!"
http://www.linuxbox.nu/index.php

FOR MORE INFO SEE:
-------------------
LINUX SECURITY - Manadatory Access Control: Silver
Bullet or Kafkaesque Nightmare?
http://www.itworld.com/nl/lnx_sec/10162001/

     NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.


II.  NEXT KLUG MEETING - TUESDAY  09/24/2002
******************************************************************
Cyrus IMAP
by Adam Williams

Most distributions of Linux ship with the University of
Washington IMAP and POP3 services for providing basic mail
services to a variety of clients.  Cyrus IMAP is an
alternative suite of mail server applications for providing
sophisticated mail services such as shared folders, bulletin
boards, NNTP integration, service side scripting and
filtering , etc... Developed by Carnegie Mellon University
Cyrus IMAP is used by many large e-mail installations
(>10,000 users).

  CHECK OUT THE CMU WEB SITE:
  http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/

Adam is a network administrator based in Grand Rapids, but
the network he deals with is all over Michigan, with a
couple of hundred workstations, running Linux and other
Operating Systems.  Not only does he deal with domain issues
at work, but he is also the owner of the domain
"whitemice.org".  Adam has been a regular contributor to
technical discussions on our main mailing list, both
presenting and solving some of the most challenging
networking and configuration problems.

     NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.


III. LINUX OR KLUG RELATED PROJECT REPORTS -

	N E W S   F L A S H E S ! ! !
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	RED HAT LINUX VERSION 7.3.x HAS BEEN RELEASED
        Current Linux OS kernel version 2.4.x
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	VISIT ===>   http://kalamazoolinux.org/bsware/
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	KLUG HAS ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER
	of Commerce that includes support of our networking
	services.  KLUG is entitled to facilities usage,
	access to the Jas Network DSL line bandwidth, and
	being recognized as an important part of the local
	business community.  THE CONTRACTS ARE ALL SIGNED!
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	MEETING GREETER NEEDED FOR CHAMBER KLUG MEETINGS
	Someone to assist with Chamber building access.
	For security reasons, KLUG needs entrance and exit
	door control.  Can you arrive early and leave last?
	CONTACT CHAIR DIRK BARTLEY <bartleyd2@net-link.net>
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	A FREE 802.11b WIRELESS NETWORK WITH 4 WIRELESS ACCESS
	points (WAP) is available within the Chamber building
        and is provided by the Dill Companies, Inc.  Bring your
	wireless cards to KLUG meetings.  When a KLUG member
	needs to access the internet while downtown, stop in
	and park/compute in the Chamber parking lot.  Thanks
	to John Dill for this appreciated service donation.
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Diversified mailing lists can be found on our web site.
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Currently Available KLUG Lists:
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	DRIFTWOOD PROJECT FORMS AND LAUNCHES MAILING LIST
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	the open source program Asterisk.  Join the Driftwood
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	local project.  We might be broadcasting KLUG meetings
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	http://kalamazoolinux.org/listserv/listserv.php3
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	Now businesses and individuals can contribute hardware,
	software, services, cash, membership dues, and other
	contributions WITH FULL INCOME TAX DEDUCTIBILITY!!!
	There are many OTHER benefits that 'non-profits' enjoy.
	CONTACT CHAIR DIRK BARTLEY <bartleyd2@net-link.net>
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        NOW YOU CAN USE THE URL  HTTP://KAZOOLUG.ORG TO
        summon KLUG web pages.  Shorter and more exact!
        You can still use the longer URL as a valid address!
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	LIBRARY DATABASE HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND POSTED
	Dirk Bartley has prepared a database to assist you
	in locating and requesting KLUG library resources
	http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/library/
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KLUG "PC SHOW" PUBLIC OUTREACH PROJECT HAD A SUCCESSFUL EVENT!
The big yellow KLUG banner was again proudly displayed on Sat.
August 31, 2002 at the ALSCS COMPUTER SHOW in KALAMAZOO, MI!
This was an important back-to-school show for this fall season.
This show was again held at the Kalamazoo County Fairgrounds.
Again, lots of Linux CD-ROM's were made available to the public
and many contacts were made.  To get more info or to volunteer
to help with the next public event that KLUG has planned, please
Contact KLUG Chairperson "Dirk Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>
or Vice Chairperson "Stu Gillis" <showperson@kalamazoolinux.org>

BOOGIES CYBER CAFE - KLUG's public commercial Linux project.
*************************************************************
NEWS BULLETIN - BOOGIES HAS BEEN SOLD - AWAITING STATUS INFO
*************************************************************
Boogies is now...  "Ali Babba's Hookah Emporium," REALLY!
The Boogies project has been terminated and relocation
options are being considered.  We can help create another
cybercafe or do something completely different.  Send your
great ideas to "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org> or "Dirk
Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>.

A KLUG PC RUNNING LINUX HAS BEEN PLACED AT THE KALAMAZOO CHAMBER
of Commerce to provide DHCP services.  This will enable easier
internet access for KLUG members attending meetings at the Chamber.
Lots more additions planned between KLUG and K C of C.  A newsgroup
server, web server, networking, and eventually EVERYTHING!  The
synergy is peaking!  Hardware is being installed and KLUG
volunteers are needed.  Contact "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org>
or "Dirk Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>.

KLUG IS NOW THE PROUD OWNER OF A PRESENTATION PROJECTOR!!!
SPECIFICATIONS OF INFOCUS LP425ZVB PROJECTOR - Cost $1,599.00
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16 degree key stoning, 1 Watt audio

IF YOU KNOW OF ADDITIONAL LINKS that should be included
in the KLUG LINKS page... please send e-mail suggestions
to <linkmaster@kalamazoolinux.org> so the LINKS team of
The Link Master will review the content of the web site.
If you haven't checked these links out lately, take a look.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links

GREAT MEETING PRESENTATIONS.  Your opportunity
to share your Linux experiences and see what
other people are doing.  Come enjoy a meeting!
If you have an IDEA FOR A KLUG PRESENTATION or know
of a good speaker, we want to hear about it!  Make
contact with our KLUG Program Director, Adam Williams
<awilliam@whitemice.org>.  DSL, a Pentium Class Desktop
PC, VGA Projector, VGA Monitors, and an Overhead Projector
are Available for Use in KLUG Presentations! Contact
Dirk Bartley <bartleyd2@net-link.net>

     NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.


IV.   GENERAL KLUG ANNOUNCEMENTS

WHAT IS KLUG? -
KLUG is a volunteer group formed by and for LINUX
system users in the Kalamazoo Michigan area.  We
support, promote, and develop activities related
to the use, study, and application of LINUX in the
local community.

THE BEGINNER'S MEETINGS ARE HELD the first Tuesday of each
month.  Linux basics and distribution installs are the
lessons of these evenings.  If you do want KLUG's FREE help
installing Linux on your computer at one of these meetings,
see URL: http://kalamazoolinux.org/meetings/installform.html
Contact the KLUG Installmasters for more information:
installmaster@kalamazoolinux.org
===============================================================
THE KLUG STANDARD BEGINNER'S PRESENTATION - LINUX BOOT CAMP!!!
http://kalamazoolinux.org/presentations/beginner01.html
===============================================================
Note:
As Linux matures as an OS, the educational needs are evolving.
The Beginner's Meeting format is changing with those needs.
It is difficult to cover all the basics in one meeting.  Linux
is not just for CS experts and IT professionals.  The "BASICS"
meetings are intended for those with limited experience with
Operating System's or even Personal Computer's.  Your comments
and questions are welcomed!

IF YOU KNOW OF ADDITIONAL LINKS that should be included
in the KLUG LINKS page... please send e-mail suggestions
to <linkmaster@kalamazoolinux.org> so the LINKS team
can review the content of the site.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links

REDHAT LINUX CERTIFICATION information is available
from a KLUG officer.  See the club listserv for more
info or check certifications on the Links page.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links/certification.html

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ >  R E A D  T H I S   < +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
 Y O U   ARE ASKED TO REMEMBER THAT  K L U G  IS...
 A      --->   VOLUNTEER   <---    ORGANIZATION!!!
Please Honor the Spirit of the GPL!  Is it REALLY Free?
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
VOLUNTEER CLUB POSITIONS NOW AVAILABLE:
All KLUG positions ARE NOT occupied currently.  Some KLUG
volunteers are doing double duty.  Please consider
serving the members as one of the following...
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
SEE THIS LISTING FOR KLUG OFFICE DESCRIPTIONS
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/organize/

- NUTRI MASTER  Provide cookies and milk for KLUG meetings. *
      * {Reimbursement for refreshment purchases!}
- MEETING GREETER  Someone to assist with Chamber building access.
  For security reasons, we need entrance and exit door control.
- OTHER POSITIONS ARE AVAILABLE, SOME FILL TWO VOLUNTEER SLOTS!
  More info from "Dirk Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>

*****************************************************************
#	J O I N    &    S U P P O R T    K L U G  !!!
#	Be a KLUG Supporting Member!  $25 annually *
#	($.50 per meeting) TRULY A GREAT BARGAIN!!!
#
#	THE SUPPORTING MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS INCLUDE (= #)
*****************************************************************

# GREAT MEETING PRESENTATIONS. Your opportunity
to share your Linux experiences and see what
other people are doing.  Come enjoy a meeting!
If you have an IDEA FOR A KLUG PRESENTATION or know
of a good speaker, we want to hear about it!  Make
contact with our KLUG Program Director, Adam Williams
<awilliam@whitemice.org>.  A Pentium Class Desktop
PC, DSL Web Connection, VGA Projector, and an
Overhead Projector are Available for Use in KLUG
Presentations! Contact Dirk Bartley <bartleyd2@net-link.net>

# NON-COMMERCIAL OR PERSONAL WEB SITE HOSTED on the
KLUG server.  Single page .html files can be sent to the
interim KLUG webmaster@kalamazoolinux.org for
posting.  These are intended to be low traffic web
sites displaying appropriate content.

# CHECK OUT THE NEW KLUG LIBRARY PAGE -  See the updated
inventory listing of our KLUG Library. The items listed in
green are only available to KLUG supporting members.
We have Debian, SuSE, Mandrake, and WinLinux distribution
packages available in our library along with several others.
Did you know we have *non-Linux* distribution additions!
Everything else is available to anyone that can come to a
KLUG meeting. If you would like to check out one of these
items, please check it off and submit the form on the KLUG
library page.   We are sharing these next two items as an F-Y-I !
Please do show up at the meeting if you have books requested.
What about you?  Do you need to return any KLUG library books?
Contact Dirk Bartley for more info <bartleyd2@net-link.net>.

# *************************************************************
                RED HAT v7.3.x HAS BEEN RELEASED
                http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/
  *************************************************************
  **************   BS-WARE SOFTWARE DISCOUNTS   ***************
This Linux distribution now comes on three (3) CD's.
Supporting Member Discount on BS-Ware is $1.50 per
CD or 50% off!  Bruce distributes a non-commercial
version of the Red Hat Linux OS!  Notice - BS-Ware
prices are $3 per CD.  A Great Deal!!!  Thanks Bruce!!!

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
VISIT  ===>   http://kalamazoolinux.org/bsware/
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

See Bruce's BS-Ware web site to find out what Linux & other
distributions and application software he has available.
E-mail him in advance about your needs and pick up your
CD's at the next meeting.  bruce@armintl.com
**************************************************************
**************************************************************

     NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.
  Bring a friend... who wants to learn about Open Source!

THE KALAMAZOO LINUX USERS GROUP WOULD LIKE TO THANK
the Law firm of Kreis Enderle Callander & Hudgins
for their generousity toward KLUG.  Matt DePerno has
made contributions of his time to assist us in our
successful achievement of 501(c)(3) tax status with
the IRS!!!

THANKS to ARMSTRONG INTERNATIONAL, INC. for providing their
much appreciated IT Resources to support KLUG and Linux.

THANKS to KALAMAZOO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE for providing their
well appointed facilities for our meetings.  Jas Networks has
donated a DSL (2.3 Mbit) connection that KLUG uses during the
meetings to allow attendees and presenters to connect by
network cable to a hub.  An 802.11b wireless network connection
is also available from Michigan Wireless Networks.  Many
projectors, flip chart easels, and projection screens have
been made available.

 >><< send corrections, additions, flames to the KLUG scribe >><<
         mag00@voyager.net  or  magoo@yakko.cs.wmich.edu


Space & Time Coordinates: Planet Earth During the Holocene Period


CONTACT INFORMATION:
Kalamazoo Linux Users Group, Inc.
6749 South Westnedge Avenue
Suite K-288
Portage  MI 49002
e-mail address: chairman@kalamazoolinux.org
web site  http://kalamazoolinux.org

Copyright 2002                 Kalamazoo Linux Users Group, Inc.






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