> I would say it depends on who is running said program. > > [brandon@sql ~]$ touch hmm > [brandon@sql ~]$ ls -al hmm > -rw-rw-r-- 1 brandon brandon 0 May 14 09:02 hmm > > [root@sql brandon]# touch hmm1 > [root@sql brandon]# ls -al hmm1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 14 09:03 hmm1 Type "umask" as root, and again as "brandon". I bet the results differ! :-) - BS