[KLUG Advocacy] Interesting . . .

[Robert G. Brown]

>>>Best Buy offers no alternative OS...
>>They sell RH, SuSe, and Mandrake Linux in Portage, probably in other places.
>Disconnect from my brain to the keyboard.  I meant preinstalled on 
>PCs.  The OSs that line the shelves are shelved next to higher level 
>software. <joe somebody> "So, does this RedHat run on Windows, or do I need 
>to upgrade to XP. " </joe>
This is an excellent object lesson regarding the market value of pre-installed
OS'es on PC's, folks. Gates was the first person to propagate this idea to
other than a boutique market.

>>><rant> A necessary evil is to have salesmen (and marketing).  I despise
>>>the "hey, your whats happening!" salesman BS....
>>...You might not (cough) value sales and marketing people very much, but 
>>they do serve a couple of functions....
>I mispoke, salesmen are not necessary (salespeople are, though)
>I would argue that there is a strong difference between someone who is good 
>at marketing and is a salesman....
I don't think you have anyone to argue with, on this point. Marketing is, to 
a great degree, very different from sales.

>Marketing and Sales are necessary evils like any indirect labor in an 
>organization.  I would also hardline between salesperson and salesman.
I think I understand what you mean, but I disagree with you. Oh, I know
there are a lot of bad or mediocre salesmen out there who fit the profile
you're creating, but there are a lot of better ones, real professionals 
who oftem make the difference between failure and success for good products.
Conversely, the oldest story in the computing industry are great products
that floundered or failed because no one in the organization really knew 
how to market OR sell them.

>The title of 'Salesmen' (not salesperson or saleswoman) constitutes a set
>of "me first" scuples and lack of mores (more-AYES) and not a job title....
No sir, it does not. Apparently it does in your view, or perhaps in your 
experience.

>If you can't tell I have 2 people really rubbing me the wrong way right now.
>1 at work and 1 in the family tree.  They both have the "salesman" charac-
>teristics and are very manipulative and deceptive. FRUSTRATING!
That's a shame. I tend to tune those characteristics out, and if the person
exudes only those characteritics, I tend to tune out the whole person.

							Regards,
							---> RGB <---