[KLUG Members] KLUG Meeting Notes - 08/21/2001
magoo
members@kalamazoolinux.org
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:49:17 -0400
KALAMAZOO LINUX USER'S GROUP
MEMBERS AND GUESTS - COME JOIN US FOR A MEETING!!!
http://kalamazoolinux.org/meetings
WE MEET WEEKLY, EACH TUESDAY AT 7:00PM.
Our meeting site is Room 4202 of Dunbar
Hall on the campus of Western Michigan University.
Tuesday August 21, 2001 7:00PM
KLUG Meeting Notes - Summary
I. PRESENTATION RECAP
II. NEXT WEEK'S MEETING INFO <=== GDB Debugger
III. PROJECT REPORTS
IV. GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS
Tonight's Meeting Moderator:
Chairperson - Dirk Bartley
I. PRESENTATION RECAP
THIS WEEK'S KLUG PRESENTATION: (18 active participants tonight)
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Mozilla: The Other Browser
By Patrick Stockton
An overview of Open Source's flagship project: Mozilla
(the browser formerly known as Netscape). Mr. Stockton
covered Mozilla history, configuration of the browser,
various builds (nightly, milestone), and how to roll-your-own.
That was followed up with questions and answers from the floor.
http://www.mozilla.org/
PRESENTATION SUMMARY:
I. History (Future!) of Mozilla
A. Mosaic -> Netscape -> Mozilla -> Gecko Engine
-> Netscape & -> Galeon
B. Netscape releases source code in March 1998
1. Mozilla begins and dumps Netscape code (10/98)
C. Gecko Mozilla's embeddable layout engine
1. Never intended to produce a consumer product
a. Vehicle for other commercial developers
b. Used in Galeon <=== {very nice!}
http://galeon.sourceforge.net/news.html
D. Code breaks out again in Netscape v6.0 &
Communicator
http://www.netscape.com
II. Handout - {Check KLUG Past Presentations for this guide}
--> Patrick's "It worked for me" guide to compiling Mozilla
& Guide to using CVS to retrieve the nightly build
{full instructions are not included here}
A. Review of the handout procedures & discussion
1. Reason for making this handout
a. Three days of grief and six sets of instructions
B. Setting up your CVS client
http://www.cvshome.org/
C. Logging into the Mozilla anonymous CVS server
D. Setting up the file named .mozconfig
E. Compile make -f client.mk
F. RUN!
III. Questions & Answers
Q. How big is Mozilla in bytes?
A. Application size is about 14 Mb
Q. Can you eliminate the mail client?
A. Yes! Modular configuration.
Q. What are the advantages of using Mozilla
A. - Runs quicker / Gecko Engine
- Open source software
- Better display of web content
- Java capable
- Modular design
- Tops in standards compliance
Q. How do we use CVS?
A. See II above
Q. Security & e-mail virus concerns
A. Addressbook worms are MS product targets
- A virus could be written to hack Linux
- Standard security techniques at system level
Q. Any problems with the required libraries being found?
A. See II above, error messages will indicate that
Originally from Sacramento, California, Mr. Stockton moved
to Michigan in April of 2001. He now works in Bronson, MI
as the Systems Administrator for a small parts manufacturing
company. A Slackware Linux (pronounced with a long i, so get
over it) user since 1997. In his college years he and a
roomate ran a small webhosting company off an i486 and a
DSL line, which gives him the privilage of telling people
that he once operated a failed dotcom.
http://www.codejnki.com codejnki@earthlink.net
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COME TO A MEETING TO GET THE REALLY GOOD STUFF!!! Y U M M Y!
We had chocolate chip cookies and nice cold milk. A VERY TASTY
& COOL TREAT!!! Thanks to Dirk Bartley and Bruce Smith for
sharing these goodies with the group tonight. The treats
were served after the presentation. :)
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NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.
II. NEXT KLUG MEETING - TUESDAY 08/28/2001
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GDB, the GNU Debugger
by Robert G. Brown
Ever get frustrated by that "segmentation fault" error
message, and you don't know what to do next? Here's a
way to get right into compiled programs, as they run,
perhaps even as they fail. Learn to DO something about
that, find out exactly (and we mean exactly) why they
fail, and then fix them! The key to all of this is a
good "debugger".
We'll cover a good debugger, by example and demonstration.
Sit back and watch the presenter work with a debugger and
compiler to fix a C program with some intentional (and maybe
not-so-intentional!) bugs. Make fun of his code, and ask
questions while the code improves, and maybe later, too.
The go forth and try it at home. We'll even have the buggy
code available on the website; we want you to try this at
home!!
Every Linux system has a debugger to match the compilers
that are supplied. With this tool, you'll be able to
perform good low-level changes to all of your software;
it's a key to becoming a serious participant in many
software projects, and it unlocks the real power of
having the source code.
GDB WEB SITE -
http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/
Robert Brown is a founding member, past chairman,
the current publicity director of KLUG, and has
over 25 years experience in software development
in numerous environments, disciplines, and industries.
An intermittant user of UNIX systems for over 15
years, Bob has developed applications with Linux
in in the course of his professional and volunteer
activities. He can also be seen cycling the Kal-Haven
trail, wandering around, perpetrating nature photgraphy
or traveling to some fairly unusual places. Recently,
he was elected to chair a major a SIG of the ACM.
http://www.acm.org/sigapl/
NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.
III. LINUX OR KLUG RELATED PROJECT REPORTS -
N E W S F L A S H E S ! ! !
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READ EXTREME LINUX NEWS FEED - IT ALMOST HAPPENS HERE
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?threshold=1&min=0&op=stories
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LIBRARY DATABASE HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND POSTED
Dirk Bartley has prepared a database to assist you
in locating and requesting KLUG library resources
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/library/
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NOW GET BS-WARE PRO!!! READY TO INSTALL <RPM>!
The Non-Commercial Red Hat v7.1.x with XFS v1.0.x!
http://kalamazoolinux.org/bsware/
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WE NOW HAVE NETWORK INTERNET ACCESS DURING MEETINGS!!!
Yakko (The WMU Computer Club) has passed a network
cable through the wall and three were 'blazing the hub'
during the presentation. Bring your laptop and a
Cat 5 netwok cable to jack in.
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KLUG IS NOW THE PROUD OWNER OF A PRESENTATION PROJECTOR!!!
SPECIFICATIONS OF INFOCUS LP425ZVB PROJECTOR - Cost $1,599.00
7.4 pounds, 9x12x3.9, 900 lumens, Manual zoom lens
SVGA (800x600) with compressed XGA (1024x768)
HDTV support, 400:1 Contrast, Throw 5 to 20ft
16.7 million colors, 2.4 to 12.6ft image size
16 degree key stoning, 1 Watt audio
Thanks to Adam Williams for navigating the projector market.
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KLUG "PC SHOW" PUBLIC RELATIONS PROJECT
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The big yellow KLUG banner was proudly displayed at THE
AUGUST 12TH ALSCS COMPUTER SHOW in GRAND RAPIDS!!! Lots
of BS-Ware Linux CD-ROM's were sold and many contacts were
made. KLUG was well represented. Please Contact KLUG
Chairperson for info. "Dirk Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>
or Public Relations Director "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org>
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MICHIGAN POLIO NETWORK WEB SITE - INFORMATION PUBLISHED
http://www.mipolio.org/ <=== Check This Out!
This project has a coordinator to wrap it up, Brenda M. Williams.
MPN has asked us to assist them in getting their info
published for public use and access. The web content includes
information on post-polio disorders. For more info contact
"Brenda M. Williams" <bwilliams@cvalaw.com>
IF YOU KNOW OF ADDITIONAL LINKS that should be included
in the KLUG LINKS page... please send e-mail suggestions
to <linkmaster@kalamazoolinux.org> so the LINKS team of
Ted & Thad Juszczak can review the content of the site.
If you haven't checked these links out lately, take a look.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links
GREAT MEETING PRESENTATIONS. Your opportunity
to share your Linux experiences and see what
other people are doing. Come enjoy a meeting!
If you have an IDEA FOR A KLUG PRESENTATION or know
of a good speaker, we want to hear about it! Make
contact with our KLUG Program Director, Adam Williams
<awilliam@whitemice.org>. A Pentium Class Desktop
PC, Ethernet/100 Web Connection, VGA Projector, VGA
Monitors, and Overhead Projector are is Available for
Use in KLUG Presentations! Contact Dirk Bartley
<bartleyd2@net-link.net>
BOOGIE'S CYBER CAFE - KLUG's public commercial Linux project.
Stop in and see this "pay-to-compute" implementation.
Check out - http://www.boogies.com/ Site by Matt Crampton!
This successful public demonstration of the flexibility and
suitability of Linux in a commercial environment provides
great exposure. This project provides a share of the profits
to fund KLUG activities. Members check on this LAN, remotely,
several times a day. The network support for Boogie's is being
supplemented by Peter Buxton. Robert G. Brown is supervising
the overall operation, remotely at times. The Linux OS STILL
remains cool, calm, and constant! Running Squid, NFS, sendmail,
and the Apache web server local now to host the Boogie's web site!
The web server is up. A game testing machine has been
configured. Various upgrades and enhancements are being applied
currently, including a replacement (233 MHz Pentium Pro) CPU
installed on the main server. Contact "Robert G. Brown"
<bob@acm.org> to help out or for more info.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
WE NEED MORE BOOGIES NETWORK VOLUNTEERS
Get in on the Boogie's excitement!
Take a look via webcam - http://www.boogies.com/webcam.htm
Contact "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org> to volunteer!!!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
THE LINUX VIDEO OUTREACH PROJECT -
We are looking for a new "Post-Production Video Project
Manager." Any ideas? An idea has been proposed to
include footage of KLUG meeting activities. A visual
demonstration of this "community supported" OS. The
subjects covered in the video include the internet, Linux,
and KLUG. This video will be presented repeatedly on local
public access channels for educational and KLUG/Linux
promotional purposes. KLUG presents "The Internet Demystified"
More info from "Robert G. Brown" <bob@acm.org> or "Dirk Bartley"
<bartleyd2@net-link.net>
NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.
IV. GENERAL KLUG ANNOUNCEMENTS
WHAT IS KLUG? -
KLUG is a volunteer group formed by and for LINUX
system users in the Kalamazoo Michigan area. We
support, promote, and develop activities related
to the use, study, and application of LINUX in the
local community.
THE BEGINNER'S MEETINGS ARE HELD the first Tuesday of each
month. Linux basics and distribution installs are the
lessons of these evenings. If you do want KLUG's FREE help
installing Linux on your computer at one of these meetings,
see URL: http://kalamazoolinux.org/meetings/installform.html
Contact the KLUG Installmasters for more information:
installmaster@kalamazoolinux.org
Note:
As Linux matures as an OS, the educational needs are evolving.
The Beginner's Meeting format is changing with those needs.
It is difficult to cover all the basics in one meeting. Linux
is not just for CS experts and IT professionals. The "BASICS"
meetings are intended for those with limited experience with
Operating System's or even Personal Computer's. Your comments
and questions are welcomed!
IF YOU KNOW OF ADDITIONAL LINKS that should be included
in the KLUG LINKS page... please send e-mail suggestions
to <linkmaster@kalamazoolinux.org> so the LINKS team
can review the content of the site.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links
REDHAT LINUX CERTIFICATION information is available
from a KLUG officer. See the club listserv for more
info or check certifications on the Links page.
http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/links/certification.html
WEST MICHIGAN SEARCH & RESCUE - Web site is done.
Go there and see this KLUG public service project!
The site is ready for the next phase of development.
Contact Brenda Williams with questions or comments.
<brenda@cvalaw.com> Web site http://www.wmsar.org
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Y O U ARE ASKED TO REMEMBER THAT K L U G IS...
A ---> VOLUNTEER <--- ORGANIZATION!!!
Please Honor the Spirit of the GPL! Is it REALLY Free?
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
VOLUNTEER CLUB POSITIONS NOW AVAILABLE:
All KLUG positions ARE occupied currently. Some KLUG
volunteers are doing double duty. Please consider
serving the members as one of the following...
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PROJECT COORDINATOR Post-Production Video Outreach
OTHER POSITIONS ARE AVAILABLE, SOME FILL TWO VOLUNTEER SLOTS!
More info from "Dirk Bartley" <bartleyd2@net-link.net>
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# J O I N & S U P P O R T K L U G !!!
# Be a KLUG Supporting Member! $25 annually *
# ($.50 per meeting) TRULY A GREAT BARGAIN!!!
#
# THE SUPPORTING MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS INCLUDE (= #)
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# GREAT MEETING PRESENTATIONS. Your opportunity
to share your Linux experiences and see what
other people are doing. Come enjoy a meeting!
If you have an IDEA FOR A KLUG PRESENTATION or know
of a good speaker, we want to hear about it! Make
contact with our KLUG Program Director, Adam Williams
<awilliam@whitemice.org>. A Pentium Class Desktop
PC, Ethernet/100 Web Connection, VGA Projector, VGA
Monitors, and Overhead Projector are is Available for
Use in KLUG Presentations! Contact Dirk Bartley
<bartleyd2@net-link.net>
# NEW GOLD EDITION CD GIFT FOR KLUG PRESENTATIONS!
Also... you can choose a LinuxCare v1.6 Business Card CD,
while they last. In addition to the sincere appreciation
felt for those great KLUG presentations, presenters will
be given a gift of a new GOLD EDITION CD-ROM!
# NON-COMMERCIAL OR PERSONAL WEB SITE HOSTED on the
KLUG server. Single page .html files can be sent to the
interim KLUG webmaster@kalamazoolinux.org for
posting. These are intended to be low traffic web
sites displaying appropriate content.
# CHECK OUT THE NEW KLUG LIBRARY PAGE - See the updated
inventory listing of our KLUG Library. The items listed in
green are only available to KLUG supporting members.
We have Debian, SuSE, Mandrake, and WinLinux distribution
packages available in our library along with several others.
Did you know we have *non-Linux* distribution additions!
Everything else is available to anyone that can come to a
KLUG meeting. If you would like to check out one of these
items, please check it off and submit the form on the KLUG
library page. We are sharing these next two items as an F-Y-I !
Please do show up at the meeting if you have books requested.
What about you? Do you need to return any KLUG library books?
Contact Dirk Bartley for more info <bartleyd2@net-link.net>.
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RED HAT v7.1.x HAS BEEN RELEASED
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************** BSWARE SOFTWARE DISCOUNTS ****************
This Linux distribution now comes on two (2) CD's.
Supporting Member Discount on BSware is $1.50 per
CD or 50% off! Bruce distributes a non-commercial
version of the Red Hat Linux OS! Notice - BSware
prices are $3 per CD. A Great Deal!!! Thanks Bruce!!!
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
VISIT http://kalamazoolinux.org/bsware/
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
NOW GET BSWARE PRO!!! READY TO INSTALL!
NEW! The Non-Commercial Red Hat v7.1.x with XFS! NEW!
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
See Bruce's BSware web site to find out what Linux & other
distributions and application software he has available.
E-mail him in advance about your needs and pick up your
CD's at the next meeting. bruce@armintl.com
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# A PHP SIG HAS BEEN FORMED - FOR ALL those interested
in learning this powerful server-side scripting language.
THE FIRST MEETING WAS HELD Tuesday, June 13th at 7pm.
See the listserv info on the KLUG web site. Newbies and
experienced PHP developers alike will have ample opportunity
to share and encourage one another in the use of PHP. More
info from "Tony Gettig" <tony@gettig-group.com>
http://kalamazoolinux.org/listserv/ SIGN UP NOW!!!
# MAKE SURE YOU ARE SIGNED UP for the KLUG mailing list!
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THIS IS THE WAY TO GET THESE WEEKLY KLUG MEETING NOTES! <--*HEY!*
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Diversified mailing lists can be found on our web site.
http://kalamazoolinux.org/listserv/
Currently Available KLUG Lists:
- Common List (All Members)
- Assistance for New Linux Users
- Merits/Weaknesses of different Operating Systems
- PHP
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TAX DEDUCTIBLE STATUS - STILL WAITING FOR THE IRS!!!
The 501c3 application was sent to the IRS in December 1999.
We have received notice that they are proceeding with the
processing of our request. We hope to hear from them
REAL SOON with notice of our charitable deductibility.
Charitable and tax-exemption status is routinely granted
to educational not-for-profit organizations. This should
help us attain our financial goals. We need working
capital for increased Linux promotional activities.
The Kalamazoo Linux Users Group would like to
thank the Law firm of Kreis Enderle Callander &
Hudgins for thier generousity toward KLUG. Matt
DePerno has made contributions of his time to
assist us in our attempts to achieve 501(c)(3) tax
status with the IRS!!!
NOTE -
* Must come to three meetings to qualify as a full member.
Bring a friend... who was disappointed by a proprietary OS!
THANKS to ARMSTRONG INTERNATIONAL, INC. for providing their
much appreciated IT Resources to support KLUG and Linux.
THANKS to MORRISON INDUSTRIES, INC. for providing their
VGA Projector to support KLUG and Linux presentations.
THANKS to YAKKO/WMU Computer Club for providing their
T-1 net feed via a 10-based T 100 Mbs network cable and
a rolling overhead VGA Projector to support KLUG and Linux
presentations. Thanks to Wes Leonard and the Yakko team!
>><< send corrections, additions, flames to the KLUG scribe >><<
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