[KLUG Members] RE: great site to "get together" in

[Vernon Jenewein]

Iguess I'm not getting the main idea across.  Why invent the wheel when 
it's already out there?  It's kind of like someone may  have ideas and 
questions, and you walk down a hallway and leave them on the bulletin board 
for someone else to see, and that includes the guys from the main office, 
the workers in the back part, the janitor, the HR people, because they are 
all smart in one area or another.  But you want to take that idea or 
question and put it in a room off the main corridor and on a "private" 
bulletin board that only a few a few can see.  Add to that, you lock the 
door to this room so no one else can see, but only those that have access 
to the room.  My opinion is this is kind of counterproductive.  

CERN... short for Conseil Europeenne pour la Recherche Nucleaire, was 
formed in 1954.  A computer scientist , Berners-Lee originally conceived of 
the "Web" as a method of sharing information concerning high-energy physics 
experiments between physicists working all over the world.  This we know as 
the World Wide Web  (www), which was developed in late 1990.  Created to 
exchange ideas.  Separate from the "Internet" which was formed earlier more 
along government ideas.  Berners-Lee worked with Cailliau to write the 
first Web browser and editor software.  They defined such things as the 
URL's  (Uniform Resource Locators), HTML, and HTTP (Hyper Text Transfer 
Protocol).  All this was created so that anyone, running any kind of OS 
software could run Web protocols.   Their goal in mind... shared 
information.    The whole concept of the WWW was communications between 
various individuals with various educational levels.

I for one would rather just go to p-two.net  at their web site, take a look 
at what was posted, read.. ignore.. or contribute freely than to be 
unindated with a "members" only e-mailing.  Now that JUST my personal 
preference.  By the way, if you read any posts there and offer advice or 
ask advice or comments, you do have the choice whether you want that site 
to e-mail you a little message stating that "whom" has posted a reply to a 
thread you are posting in.  It's strictly a smorgasboard setup.. take what 
you want, and contribute when you can.  I do this when I want to.  
sometimes more one week or more one day than others.  

I guess my basic point is .. yes you already have a web site.. and yes you 
have devised a way to send iformation back and forth between your member, 
but since Linux is based on a free and open society, then one should be 
free to visit such a web site as above and look, listen, and learn.... and 
perhaps help.  Isn't help what it's all about?

Cheers!




On Friday 26 April 2002 01:11 pm, you wrote:
> > Well, since I sent that original e-mail I've gotten back several
> > e-mails as you can see below.  If the bandwidth is 10X less, then what
> > about 10 times the amout of email that is sent to each and every one?? 
> > Notice the long thread below.  and when someone else replies, it shall
> > continue to grow almost like a chain letter. *S*
>
> There is no thread below, because it is possible (and encouraged) to
> trim information no longer needed from previous threads.  Discussion
> groups have NO advantage there because they can also quote messages.
>
> The reason it's 10X the bandwidth is because of all the graphics and
> other HTML on the web pages.
>
> > The site I mentioned, p-two.net is run/moderated by a person named
> > Bern. He runs Linux exclusively, and it is not dotted with a lot of non
> > esential stuff about Winows in it's various forms, or other things
> > modems, overclocking, etc.. it is basically just Linux.  That why I
> > thought there might be some interest in this one particular forum site.
> >  Plus, before you enter the forum site, there is pertitent information
> > regarding Linux in the news.  Maybe no one is interested??
>
> We're interested, but I think we're prefer to host it ourself.
> We are a "do it yourself" kind of group. (at least I am)
>
> I personally think the best approach is a usenet server on our domain,
> as opposed to a web based clone.  That would have the advantages of:
>
> 1)  Less bandwidth usage because of the lack of HTML and graphics.
> 2)  We can mirror our mailing lists on own newsgroups because
>     it's supported by our mailing list software (Mailman).
> 3)  Less work to setup and less ongoing maintenance.
>
> This is something the KLUG officers have already discussed, and we will
> probably do in the future.  I can't tell you when, because all work on
> the KLUG server comes from volunteers, and we cannot impose deadlines.
>
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Vernon Jenewein
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