[KLUG Members] Re: great site to "get together" in

[Adam Williams]

>>>My goodness guys!  I really appologize for any that I have "ruffled
>>>feathers"
>> No apology needed, Vernon, and no feathers ruffled.
>That's very true!  You didn't ruffle any feathers that I know of.

I've been in this thread, and no rufflege has been spotted as a result. 
When people always agree and have the same ideas is when I get
concerned. Or tell me I can't state my opinion,  that really gets me
going.

>If you want to see some real "ruffled feathers", you should see some 
>of the threads on the [private] volunteers (officers) list!!!   ;->
>>>....thought I was trying to change things.
>Vern, we will always listen to new ideas, from anyone!
>And, we won't get our feathers ruffled, BUT we ask the same in return,
>that you don't get your feathers ruffled either, if we reject the idea.

That is the true moral of Linux,  that banging heads is productive.  If
someone thinks that the kernel developers float about on clouds passing
around a big mug of chilled grape soda they should go hang out on that
list.  And bring your asbestos goggles. 

Too many people takes things way to personally.  Just because I disagree
with someone, even vehemently, doesn't mean I think their an idiot or
even moderately mentally challenged.  Nothing will censor and squash
good debate like concern about feelings.

>My main reason for rejecting the idea, is my "do it myself" mentality. 
>We have the resources to do something like this ourself (bandwidth,
>computers, etc.) and if we're going to do something like this, I want to
>LEARN how to do it, by DOING it.  I don't like farming out services to
>other web sites around the net.  
>I want to learn how, and the best way I've found to learn is by doing. 

I'd almost say the only way,  but don't tell that to a brain surgeon.

>That is a purpose of KLUG, to learn about Linux and related services.

Exactly!

>My "do it myself" mentality extends far beyond KLUG.  

Me too, you should see my house.  It is also a very good indicator that
I'm a lousy carpenter.

>I run my company's
>web servers in house instead of paying someone else for web hosting. 
>The same goes for other network services too.  I run my own DNS servers,
>mail servers, proxy servers, e-commerce site, firewalls, ....
>I really like the fact that KLUG is self contained and we run/host our
>own website, mailing lists, FTP site, ...
>Besides the "learning" aspect, I also believe it's also a lot more
>impressive to be able to say that we run all of our own services on
>Linux, when promoting Linux.  Promoting Linux is also a purpose of KLUG.

Yep.