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>Something else that seems to work pretty well, is the 
>PHPGroupware web interface. 

Yes, I've used PHPGroupware (but not in production) and it is a very nice
package.  The problem is that it is not true groupware.  Even the best web
interface is still a web interface and that just doesn't cut it for some tasks
or for some people.  It just can't beat a good widget set.  Also the power of
groupware is integration,  with multiple applications, and the ability to
-extend- it in various directions.  I can't even begin to count the number of
'exchange applications'.  PHPgrouware doesn't have a real backend,  and while
they do expose and XML-RPC api the documentation is about as readable as 40 year
old newsprint after a flood.  But maybe this will change.

>Because of the fact that an IMAP mail client won't be able to use 
>collaborative calendaring,  

Of course.  But groupware is shared folders, bulletin boards, etc... which Cyrus
IMAP does in spades. 100 people want to read, post, and download attachments
from the same folder at the same time using M$-Outlook, Eudora, evolution, and
IMP.... yawn.  Cyrus IMAP is one amazing mail server.

>it was a good idea to integrate a reasonably 
>well liked IMAP webmail interface (Squirrelmail) into a 
>groupware application with collaborative calendaring.

Horde offers this with IMP(mail) and Kronolith (calendar).  I tested
PHPgroupware but went with Horde for my Intranet because Horde seems more
concerned with standards and the developement of PHPgroupware seemed
discomfortingly hot-n-cold over time.  The HEAD version of Kronolith, for
example, suppors meeting invitations using iCal attachments so whether the
invitee gets the invite in IMP, Evolution, or Outlook - it still looks like a
meeting invitation, they can respond, post to their own calendar, etc...  And
Palm software picks up on iCal attachments,  which is **KEY** for road warrior
marketroids.

I'm not dissin' PHPgroupware at all,  just pointing out where I think it needs
to mature a bit (maybe it has since I last looked).

>I'm using it within my organization, and haven't had any 
>complaints yet. (small organization, though)

Great.  Happy open source users are always a good thing (unless it is Emacs, but
that is another thread: VI RULES!!!!). 

Maybe a presentation on PHPgroupware?