[KLUG Members] FYI: [users-groupware] New version of Mozilla Calendar]

[Eric Anderson]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not overly familiar 
with the PHPGroupware package, as of yet. I was looking 
for something not too long ago, came across it, and 
decided that it was worth a try...and that's where I am 
now, in trial.

The Horde/IMP framework seems to be ok, although, there 
was some software in the PHPGroupware framework that I 
found friendly, such as project management/invoicing 
software, and the inventory component.

I've thought about checking out the Cyrus/IMAP product, 
and will probably do so. However, (And my familiarity with 
cyrus is nil), all of the services that you're speaking 
of, I would think, would be handled in a similar fashion 
by another IMAP product, no? The reason why they are 
accessible from the IMAP clients mentioned, is because 
they are following the IMAP standards. I would have to 
assume that you could create any bulletin boards, etc, as 
shared folders in another IMAP server, as long as it 
supports an ACL, to allow administration to limit access. 
I haven't tested the 45 applications, or so, in the 
interface, and I also haven't been around the project long 
enough to know if the project runs hot/cold.

Thanks for the insight on the product. You've given me 
some things to watch for, some products to try, and some 
choices to make, as far as how to maximize the 
functionality and usability of mail related services.



On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:20:42 -0400
  adam@morrison-ind.com wrote:

>>Something else that seems to work pretty well, is the 
>>PHPGroupware web interface. 
>
>Yes, I've used PHPGroupware (but not in production) and 
>it is a very nice
>package.  The problem is that it is not true groupware. 
> Even the best web
>interface is still a web interface and that just doesn't 
>cut it for some tasks
>or for some people.  It just can't beat a good widget 
>set.  Also the power of
>groupware is integration,  with multiple applications, 
>and the ability to
>-extend- it in various directions.  I can't even begin to 
>count the number of
>'exchange applications'.  PHPgrouware doesn't have a real 
>backend,  and while
>they do expose and XML-RPC api the documentation is about 
>as readable as 40 year
>old newsprint after a flood.  But maybe this will change.
>
>>Because of the fact that an IMAP mail client won't be 
>>able to use 
>>collaborative calendaring,  
>
>Of course.  But groupware is shared folders, bulletin 
>boards, etc... which Cyrus
>IMAP does in spades. 100 people want to read, post, and 
>download attachments
>from the same folder at the same time using M$-Outlook, 
>Eudora, evolution, and
>IMP.... yawn.  Cyrus IMAP is one amazing mail server.
>
>>it was a good idea to integrate a reasonably 
>>well liked IMAP webmail interface (Squirrelmail) into a 
>>groupware application with collaborative calendaring.
>
>Horde offers this with IMP(mail) and Kronolith 
>(calendar).  I tested
>PHPgroupware but went with Horde for my Intranet because 
>Horde seems more
>concerned with standards and the developement of 
>PHPgroupware seemed
>discomfortingly hot-n-cold over time.  The HEAD version 
>of Kronolith, for
>example, suppors meeting invitations using iCal 
>attachments so whether the
>invitee gets the invite in IMP, Evolution, or Outlook - 
>it still looks like a
>meeting invitation, they can respond, post to their own 
>calendar, etc...  And
>Palm software picks up on iCal attachments,  which is 
>**KEY** for road warrior
>marketroids.
>
>I'm not dissin' PHPgroupware at all,  just pointing out 
>where I think it needs
>to mature a bit (maybe it has since I last looked).
>
>>I'm using it within my organization, and haven't had any 
>>complaints yet. (small organization, though)
>
>Great.  Happy open source users are always a good thing 
>(unless it is Emacs, but
>that is another thread: VI RULES!!!!). 
>
>Maybe a presentation on PHPgroupware?
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Eric Anderson
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