[KLUG Members] Re: Nautilus in RH 7.3 and Samba shares...revisited... -- dedicated firewalls are best

Tahnesha Pinckney members@kalamazoolinux.org
Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:51:55 -0500


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>>> "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@ieee.org> 12/05/02 02:38PM >>>

Quoting Tahnesha Pinckney <tep@hanify.com>:
> >>Yeah, I'm surprised too..but until I get this Samba thing
down-pact,
> I guess this sort of access will have to do.

It's just one of those "I don't like my users accessing things freely."
 It's an
UNIX mentality that isn't shared by Novell nor Microsoft.
 
That's very true...although, if you ask me, I would have preferred
setting up a Novell/Unix network instead of a Windows/Unix one.  But,
because my position requires me to become an MSCE I decided on the
latter.... :(

> >>Now that's one mistake I haven't committed.  I just wanted to
setup
> the samba share first since there were some files I needed to access
> on my windows machines.  Although, from what I hear, I probably
should
> have started out creating NFS shares first since it's a bit easier
than
> Samba.  But, as usual, I always do things the hard way.

Well, if you have both Windows and UNIX clients, they you'll need to
learn both.

That's because your life is most simple if you use the service the
_client_
expects.  I.e. SMB for Windows, NFS for UNIX.

> >>I plan on doing that sometime soon, but since there is no active
> internet connection except for my trusty 56K modem on my W2K box, a
> firewall is not the top of my priority list.

Oh, so you're not sharing the Internet connection on your network. 
Good.
 
No, although when I get a cable modem (which might be sooner rather
than later despite how heart-wrenching it will be for me), this will
have to be taken into consideration.

> However, since you brought it up, would you happen to know of any
> good ones out there,

The best firewalls are the ones that don't do anything else.  I.e.,
don't use
software firewalls unless they are on a dedicated PC doing nothing
else).

> easy enough to configure,

Most hardware firewalls (or software on a dedicated PC doing nothing
else) are
configured via web browser.

> but strong enough to block almost everything?

See, that's the delima.  A "strong firewall" will prevent 90% of
horrendous,
Internet-enabled Windows applications from working.  Most Windows
application
developers don't know what they are doing, including Microsoft's own
application
division, so they design these piss-poor protocols that hate
firewalls.

The result is that they either don't work with firewalls, or firewalls
must have
more "lienient" rules.

> I'm very interested in BlackICE defender, but I'm not sure of it's
> comptability issues with Linux systems.

It's a Windows software firewall.  It's not nearly as good as dedicated
hardware.

If you have an old 486 or Pentium with at least 8MB of RAM, check out
IPCop:
   http://www.ipcop.org 

The Linux kernel has a built-in firewall, at the network-level. 
Nothing
available for Windows compares.  IPCop is based on Linux.  100% Web
configured.
Just grab the .iso CD image file, burn it with whatever burner software
you
use, and boot it on the box.

I have a PII 200MHZ, 94MB slim-line desktop PC at home doing nothing
but collecting dust. And I have an extra copy of RH 7.2 as well.   I
guess I could use that instead of buying a hardware firewall since they
can run for quite a bit of $$.

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<DIV><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; "Bryan J. Smith" &lt;b.j.smith@ieee.org&gt; 12/05/02 
02:38PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR><BR>Quoting Tahnesha Pinckney 
&lt;tep@hanify.com&gt;:<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;Yeah, I'm surprised too..but until I get 
this Samba thing down-pact,<BR>&gt; I guess this sort of access will have to 
do.<BR><BR>It's just one of those "I don't like my users accessing things 
freely."&nbsp; It's an<BR>UNIX mentality that isn't shared by Novell nor 
Microsoft.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That's very true...although, if you ask me, I would have preferred setting 
up a Novell/Unix network instead of a Windows/Unix one.&nbsp; But, because my 
position requires me to become an MSCE I decided on the latter.... 
:(<BR><BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;Now that's one mistake I haven't committed.&nbsp; I just 
wanted to setup<BR>&gt; the samba share first since there were some files I 
needed to access<BR>&gt; on my windows machines.&nbsp; Although, from what I 
hear, I probably should<BR>&gt; have started out creating NFS shares first since 
it's a bit easier than<BR>&gt; Samba.&nbsp; But, as usual, I always do things 
the hard way.<BR><BR>Well, if you have both Windows and UNIX clients, they 
you'll need to learn both.<BR><BR>That's because your life is most simple if you 
use the service the _client_<BR>expects.&nbsp; I.e. SMB for Windows, NFS for 
UNIX.<BR><BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;I plan on doing that sometime soon, but since there is 
no active<BR>&gt; internet connection except for my trusty 56K modem on my W2K 
box, a<BR>&gt; firewall is not the top of my priority list.<BR><BR>Oh, so you're 
not sharing the Internet connection on your network.&nbsp; Good.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>No, although when I get a cable modem (which might be sooner rather than 
later despite how heart-wrenching it will be for me), this will have to be taken 
into consideration.<BR><BR>&gt; However, since you brought it up, would you 
happen to know of any<BR>&gt; good ones out there,<BR><BR>The best firewalls are 
the ones that don't do anything else.&nbsp; I.e., don't use<BR>software 
firewalls unless they are on a dedicated PC doing nothing else).<BR><BR>&gt; 
easy enough to configure,<BR><BR>Most hardware firewalls (or software on a 
dedicated PC doing nothing else) are<BR>configured via web browser.<BR><BR>&gt; 
but strong enough to block almost everything?<BR><BR>See, that's the 
delima.&nbsp; A "strong firewall" will prevent 90% of 
horrendous,<BR>Internet-enabled Windows applications from working.&nbsp; Most 
Windows application<BR>developers don't know what they are doing, including 
Microsoft's own application<BR>division, so they design these piss-poor 
protocols that hate firewalls.<BR><BR>The result is that they either don't work 
with firewalls, or firewalls must have<BR>more "lienient" rules.<BR><BR>&gt; I'm 
very interested in BlackICE defender, but I'm not sure of it's<BR>&gt; 
comptability issues with Linux systems.<BR><BR>It's a Windows software 
firewall.&nbsp; It's not nearly as good as dedicated hardware.<BR><BR>If you 
have an old 486 or Pentium with at least 8MB of RAM, check out 
IPCop:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; <A 
href="http://www.ipcop.org/">http://www.ipcop.org</A><BR><BR>The Linux kernel 
has a built-in firewall, at the network-level.&nbsp; Nothing<BR>available for 
Windows compares.&nbsp; IPCop is based on Linux.&nbsp; 100% Web 
configured.<BR>Just grab the .iso CD image file, burn it with whatever burner 
software you<BR>use, and boot it on the box.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have a PII 200MHZ, 94MB slim-line desktop PC at home doing nothing but 
collecting dust.&nbsp;And I have an extra copy of RH 7.2 as well.&nbsp; &nbsp;I 
guess I could use that instead of buying a hardware firewall since they can run 
for quite a bit of $$.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Bryan J. Smith, E.I. 
(BSECE)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Contact Info:&nbsp; <A 
href="http://thebs.org/">http://thebs.org</A><BR>[ <A 
href="http://thebs.org/files/resume/BryanJonSmith_certifications.pdf">http://thebs.org/files/resume/BryanJonSmith_certifications.pdf</A> 
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