[KLUG Members] Re: Nautilus in RH 7.3 and Samba shares...revisited... -- Miguel is good and bad ...

[Bryan J. Smith]

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On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 22:28, Adam Williams wrote:
> I'm a big fan of the UNIX model, but it isn't canonical absolute truth,=20
> sometimes it is wrong.  See Miquel Icaza's (sp?) paper: "Let's make UNIX
> not suck", http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/bongo-bong.html

I agree with Miguel, for the most part, on the non-networked desktop.=20
He's got a lot of great idea, greater code, and the Mono Project (Open
Source .NET Development Platform) is on of the most mis-understood
projects by anti-Microsoft people.

*BUT* he's a bit "screwed up" IMHO when it comes to network services and
clients.  Internet Explorer is one.  Internet Explorer is a bloated
application embedded in the OS, with many hooks at the kernel level.=20
That's just damn unreliabile, and one damn big security hole.  Add in
Outlook and you're dead.

He's commented on some .NET stuff and is too much of an "idealist," just
like Microsoft.  He's wasn't around when NT started up and Microsoft
promised a Win32 API that never came to be as they said.  "Cairo"
anyone?

Simply put, you gotta keep a lot of the core OS away from the
applications, the network services away from the applications, and those
network services piecemeal for reliability and security (let alone
flexibility).  Those are two things that Microsoft will _never_ have.=20
Of course, weilding them in the "UNIX/Linux-way" _does_ take more work,
and that will _always_ be true versus Microsoft's "integrated" approach.

Need I mention the "Registry"?

But on a home network, go ahead, have at it!

But on a corporate network, no way man!  You aren't doing that to me!

> If one sets "user" any user can mount/unmount.  We use that on laptops,=20
> the NFS volume can be mounted/unmounted via the GNOME background and a
> right click.

Correct.  For _single_ users it's great!  Note I said _single_!

Look at the mindset, Microsoft comes from "single-user" land, Sun comes
from "multi-user" land.  Microsoft's technologies are easy-to-use, Sun's
technologies are best for corporate networks.=20

> Right, but the problem is they need to be listed twice.  Once in exports
> to make them available, and again for the client (whether in a file,
> NIS, or LDAP).

There is still something to be said about "the local system has final
say."  I have almost ten years of NT administration (yes, before 3.1 was
released) that says "one system controls all" is _bad_.

But yes, it would be nice if creation of the /etc/exports was automated.

> And mount points need to pre-exist.

Not!  Not with automounter dude.  Or don't you use it?

> Thats just isn't what I'd call adhoc.

I setup my Automounter Maps, my clients are happy.  Two changes, once on
the local server, once in the distributed NIS (or LDAP) maps.  Done.  On
a corporate network, it's too easy.

> Structured mapping/assignment is generally a good
> thing, but there are some situations where it is too much of a pain.

Yes, for home users, I agree.

> Maybe WebDAV is the way to go for this?  I don't have much experience
> with it or any idea what the current level of support in VFS is,  but I
> bump into the term an awful lot lately.  Any WebDAV gurus out there?

Maybe WebDAV is what we should be keying on for home users.  But it's
not Windows-centric, so you won't see Microsoft pushing it.  ;-p

> I remember this vaguely,  I think the adoption rate has been pretty
> low.

Yes, since most people don't know what NFS is in the first place.  ;-p

> It isn't mentioned in any of the Linux manual pages or anywhere in
> the kernel sourcecode. (cd /usr/src/linux; grep -d recurse -i webnfs *)

Er, WebNFS is a non-mounted, application technology so it won't be in
the kernel source or major Linux documentation.  It will be in browser
and IETF stuff.

> "nfs is not a registered protocol"

That's your browser not supporting WebNFS.  Mozilla/Galeon don't seem
to.

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