[KLUG Members] RE: Members digest, Vol 1 #477 - 19 msgs

[Randall Perry]

>No.  CIRs are only possible on managed networks.  Even then I can get a

>CIR on a frame relay port (not the circuit).  It means I can send X
amount 
>of data  to the cloud, they promise.  But if the remote port is
congested,
>or has a lower CIR, etc..., I'm still stuck.  A CIR on an ISP
connection 
>really doesn't make much sense as I don't really want to talk to the
ISP, 
>I want to talk to someone beyond them.  There certainly is no CIR on
the 
>Internet.

Of course you can't guarantee Internet traffic, but some ISPs were
quoting guaranteed CIRs on access to their backbone connection (Maplenet
used to do this).
Yes, I know that you can't sell 1:1 (I have had to explain this one many
times myself), the example was to show that it would be impossible to
give you an honest T1 connection for any reasonable rate.  If you are
paying $50 monthly, you would have to have a MINIMUM of 30 customers to
cover a line that costs you $1500 monthly (circuit, internet and
hardware costs).  More realistically you have over 100 users on such a
connnection.(only an example)  So after work/school/whatever hours you
have tons of Kazaa traffic that chokes that T1.  That's why I don't
think people should think of them as T1 speed connections and do price
comparisons on that.  Audiophiles know the same principle, you don't
look at some junk 1000watt amp and compare that to Rockford Fosgate 400s
400Watt RMS.  I have a friend who has a Mvillage microwave connection.
It was great at first when he got it, but then it got slower and slower.
The aDSL Verizon connection at the office (768 down) is considerable
faster and consistently so.  I don't want to say *buyer beware*, but
1.5Mbps is not always 1.5Mbps

Randall Perry
www.domain-logic.com