[KLUG Members] Re: Upgrade to Red Hat 8.0 opinions wanted

[members@kalamazoolinux.org]

>>When it does you should be able to upgrade.  Currently I think RedHat is
>>a little farther along the GNOME curve than Ximian (although I'm *certain*
>>Ximian 2.0 will herald spectacular things).
>Just who do you think maintains most of Gnome?  ;-P

Yep, I realize that.  But only what is released helps me.

>Just because Ximian's "release" Gnome doesn't mean they don't have a 2.0
>already
>out.  They are just still labelling it a "Developer's Release," because many
>components have still not moved their codebase to 2.0.

Yes, I've been using the Developers Release as GNOME 2 is **WAY** faster,
especially nautilus.  And I'm slowly learing GNOME developement, and learning
1.4 would be a waste of time.

>RedHat just decided to go ahead and move to Gnome 2.0, despite things
>missing and/or incomplete.  It's not a bad move for a .0 RedHat release.

I haven't noticed anythming missing or incomplete,  at least not that wasn't
missing or incomplete in 1.4

>>It depends.  I'd recommend, if you do it, you wipe and re-install rh8.0
>>in order to switch to LVM.  And the rh8 upgrade can get churlish about the
>>presence of so many third part packages (Ximian).
>>My impression of rh8 (which is GNOME 2, where Ximian is GNOME 1.4)
>Again ... Ximian _Release_ is 1.4.  Ximian _Developer_ is 2.0.

Ximian doesn't call Developer a "release", they are not snapshots.  If they
cause a temporal anomaly and a plesiasour reaches through and bites your head
off, it ain't there problem.  

>>is that the UI is much more polished,  I like the theme, and the menus
>>are arranged in a much more user friendly manner.  They really spent
>>time getting the font config just right and the list of supported
>>printers is excellent.
>That's because RedHat controls all the packages, and RedHat finally got its
>"act together" and properly addressed the desktop IMHO.

Sure, which is all fine by me.  I don't have time to do that.

>Ximian only "bundles" their packages for RedHat 6.x/7.x, so they could only
>work with what they had.  Now that RedHat 8.0 is out, Ximian for RedHat 8.0 
>will probably be improved as well.

We'll see.  I expect it will be awhile till Ximian GNOME 2.0 is released.  I've
read about their intentions for their GNOME 2.0 version,  very nice, but these
things take time.

>> They've button together several things that I've cobbled together
>> with the Ximian development snapshots (GNOME 2). 
> 
> Ahhh, now you're getting it.  ;-P
> 
>Ximian has released several "updates" to their Developer versions.

Some of which resembled trojan horses loaded with rotten vegetable drujes.

>>It remains to be seen if I remove Open Office, and put in Star Office,
>>if the integration will remain intact.
>Open/StarOffice doesn't use GTK+/Gnome, so you should have 0 issues.

No, the "integration"!  MIME associations, menu icons, etc..  removing the RPM
often removes these.  And setting up user-global mime associations in GNOME 2
makes me yearn for the days when I thought writing Z80 assembler so I could use
it as a coprocessor in my Commodore 128 was fun!  Now I finally realize why the
high-school councilor thought I was the scariest kid in the school....