More IPcop info for my strange webmail problem... I got traceroute & RH8 on one of the IPcop client boxes...the client box cannot traceroute past the gateway, for any domian...i.e. hotmail.com AND all the others... So if traceroute fails, but pinging works and DNS is resolving IP addresses, and normal webpages load ... what does this mean???? -Mark Tarquini